Bean Bandits Levin 'Globetrotter'
05-01-2014, 09:56 AM (This post was last modified: 05-01-2014 10:29 AM by NoHachi.)
Post: #257
RE: Bean Bandits Levin (suspension thoughts on page 9&10)
To clarify:
There is a distinction between BC-racing, the distributor and Bor Chan, the Taiwanese shock conglomerate producing 90% of all the JDM "tuner" shocks/shock parts. When I say BC, I mean the lot: Megan, DG5, BCracing,Stance, etc etc. They share tons of internals. So there is info in researching dyno curves found for any of them.

Making the decision to go for 3 way should be based on:
* The adjusters have a useable range of control.
* The adjusters range of control that is centered around a decent starting point for a given car
* The adjuster is linear within a reasonable range
* Adjuster range and setting is the same across all shocks on an axle.
* Particular adjuster settings should always correspond to the same result.

If you can't guarantee those factors, then you are better of with a decent single or non adjustable shock.

AST/Aragosta low speed adjusters are supposedly very narrow ranged.
Moton not much better (now similar to AST)
Penske-> only most expensive external canister usefull.
Ohlins: TTX dual tube setup quite good.

In my experience: if you don't own your own shock dyno you are going to have a hell of time dialling the car in. I spent 50 Euros after each adjustment to have my shocks mapped out across all settings (lucky to have a tiny and cheap motorcycle shock shop nearby).

Part of the problem is that the adjusters do not explicitly adjust low speed/high speed/bump/rebound separately. You are usually adjusting shim stack preload, bleed orifice diameters and sometimes the max travel of a poppet valve. All these things influence a damper curve, but they do so with a lot of interaction.

My advice (not worth that much mind you) and feeling would be that you are focussing too much on what might be the wrong factors to decide on a shock.
* Getting a good starting curve is essential, you will never adjust a shock with poor starting curves to an ideal position through adjusters.
* Then comes quality the valving/construction/stroke/piston size/type. Things like having reliable accurate double digressive pistons, that are 100% identical between shocks. Ideally you want to see a potato plot of the shock to see how much hysteresis there is.
* After that I would start looking at adjusters. Normally you shouldn't need much. A bleed adjuster that adjusts low speed bump/rebound together is often enough. Or just rebound if a rebound biased valving feel is your preference.

With all that said, would love for you to buy the stances and have a shop do some full range dyno's.

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RE: Bean Bandits Levin (suspension thoughts on page 9&10) - NoHachi - 05-01-2014 09:56 AM
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