DIY: My Celica-Supra (MA45/46/47) diff swap & info.
06-08-2008, 08:31 AM
Post: #2
 
Chassis & Differential Codes of the Vehicles I'm using parts from.
MA46/MA47: F312 - For axle housing, 3rd member, axles.
MA67 ____ : F283 - For 4.3 gear set, and possibly LSD options for it.
AE86 (GT-S): T282 - For replacement solid pinion spacer (TRD part) & brakes (calipers/mounts/pads).
AE86 (SR-5): S074 - For axle housing mounts & spring seats.

Axle Housing Information.
1. Axle housing ends/Backing plate bolt pattern is the same for both AE86 GT-S & MA46/MA47.
2. Drain/Fill plugs are the same thread/size (interchangeable) as they are for most Toyota’s. So is the differential vent.
3. Pinion Flange same bolt pattern. But will require shortening the driveshaft, or a shorter one.
4. Axle housing lengths (actual backing plate flange).
MA46/MA47 = 1290mm or 50 3/4" (approx.)
AE86 (SR-5 & GT-S) = 1275mm or 50 1/4" (approx.)

5. Sway bar mounts on the MA46/MA47 are the same distance apart as the AE86.
6. Upper control arm mounts are spaced apart approx 32mm (+/- 1mm):
MA46/MA47 = 521mm or 20.5"
AE86 = 489mm or 19.25"

7. Lower control arm mounts are spaced the same distance, but at different angle and position in relation to the housing.
8. 4-link mount bolt hole diameters are different:
MA46/MA47 = 14mm
AE86 = 12mm

9. Overall axle flange/wheel mounting face length (difference of approx 12mm):
MA46/MA47 = 1404mm or 55 9/32" (approx.)
AE86 = 1392mm or 54 25/32" (approx.)


Axle Shaft Information.
1. Axle flange bolt pattern:
Both = 4 x 114.3mm (4 x 4.5")
2. Axle spline Diameter:
MA46/MA47 = 28mm
AE86 = 24(Zenki) - 25.5mm (Kouki) approx.

3. Axle spline count:
MA46/MA47 = 27
AE86 = 23

4. Axle shaft diameter (main portion between splines & retainer):
MA46/MA47 = 30mm
AE86 = 26mm

5. Axle flange/hub center size:
Both = 60mm
6. Axle flange outside diameter:
MA46/MA47 = 139.4mm
AE86 = 139.0mm

7. Wheel bearings & retainers are the same for both MA46/MA47 & AE86 GT-S.

Brake Rotors, Pads, and Calipers Information.
1. Brake pads from an AE86 can be put on a MA46/MA47. But NOT the other way around. Because the AE86 brake pads are not as 'Tall' as the MA46/MA47 brake pads.
2. Brake pad height difference:
MA46/MA47 = 37mm
AE86 = 30mm

3. Brake Rotor overall height:
Both = 48mm
4. Rotor Hat thickness @ axle flange:
MA46/MA47 = 5.4mm
AE86 5.25mm

5. Rotor Hat inner diameter:
MA46/MA47 = 141.3mm
AE86 = 139.7mm

6. Rotor Hat outside diameter:
Both = 159mm
7. Rotor outside diameter:
MA46/MA47 = 258mm
AE86 = 231mm

8. Rotor thickness:
Both = 10.1 - 10.2mm
9. Calipers, Bracket/Mounts, and Backing plates are different. But as a set, are swappable to either axle housing if using all the parts from either the AE86 or MA46/MA47 allowing you to run either MA46/MA47 or AE86 rear brakes on both axle housings.
10. Calipers on both MA46/MA47 & AE86 use the same style Park/E-brake cable attachment.
(Note: All measurements approx. AE86 rotors measured were aftermarket and may be slightly different than OEM.)


OEM/Aftermarket LSD options
For the US market little or no Celica-Supras had an OEM lsd equipped, where as in Canada most did come with an OEM lsd.

There are many more options for LSD available for the MA46/MA47 Celica-Supra than most realize, here's several I figured out. They ALL require using different carrier bearings with a larger bearing I.D. to fit the carrier (see bearing info below). They must also be for a 7.5" F-series toyota diff and designed for 27 spline axles.
1. OEM clutch type LSD from MKII 82-86 Celica-Supra's
2. OEM Torsen (gear) LSD from the 'JDM' Altezza (sxe10/gxe10)
3. Any aftermarket (Cusco, Kaaz, Tomei, AT-S, ect) LSD for the Toyota Car 7.5" differential (Chassis codes IE: MA6x MKII Celica-Supra, JZX90 Chaser (non-turbo), SXE10/GXE10 JDM IS200 Altezza w/Beams)
4. Any aftermarket Locker or LSD for the front of the Toyota 4x4 pickups & 4-runners. (IE: Detroit Truetrac torsen LSD, Detroit Locker, ARB air locker, Powertrax Lock-right & No-slip)


Aftermarket Sway Bar Bushing Information.
As noted above (See: line 5 under 'Axle Housing Information'), the sway bar mounts on the Celica-Supra axle are the same distance apart as the AE86 rear axle. That means you are able to use the AE86 sway bars with the MA46/MA47 sway bar mounts & brackets. You just need the correctly sized bushings & a minor modifcation to do so.

I found that the universal sway bar bushings from Energy Suspension (or Prothane possibly) should allow you to fit different size AE86 sway bars to the Celica-Supra rear axle sway bar mounts & brackets. I purchased one of the Energy Suspension kits and verified fitment with my AE86 sway bar. And found that the modification required of Celica-Supra sway bar bracket is to shave 2mm off the width of the bracket (1mm each side). For the bushing to fit correctly. (See picture #xx above.)

Available Sizes & Part numbers.
Energy Susp._| Prothane
16mm 9.5120 | 19-1115
17mm 9.5121 | 19-1116
18mm 9.5122 | 19-1117
19mm 9.5123 | 19-1118
20mm 9.5124 | 19-1119
21mm 9.5125 | 19-1120
22mm 9.5126 | 19-1121
23mm 9.5127 | 19-1122
24mm 9.5128 | 19-1123
25mm 9.5129 | 19-1124
(Note: Better fit? | Not enough measurements found online. Need height/width/center?)

Measurements of MA46/MA47 rear sway bar bushing bracket:
Height = 31mm
Length = 31mm
Width = 32.3mm

Metric conversion/Size notes for determining bushing (inches are approx.):
31.0mm = 1.22" | 1-7/32"
32.3mm = 1.27" | 1-17/64"
20.0mm = 0.78" | 25/32"


Differential Setup Information.
MK1 1979-1981 Celica-Supra F-series (solid) specifications:
Ring Gear Backlash = 0.005-0.007" (.13-.18mm)
Ring Gear Bolt Torque = 67-75 ft lbs
Pinion Nut Torque = 80 ft lbs (to MAX of 173 ft lbs for crush sleeve)
Pinion Bearing Preload = 7.9-ll.2 in lbs
Carrier Bearing Cap Bolt Torque = 51-65 ft lbs (I go to 58 ft lbs)
Total Preload = 3.5-5.2 in lbs (on top of/in addition to pinion preload)
Axle/Backing Plate Nuts = 44-53 ft lbs.

(Note: Thanks go to Chris Eng/CJSREDPRA at http://www.celicasupra.com for this info out of his '81 manual(s). Specifically the - Carina & Celica "Chassis" Publication # 98263E.)

MK2 82-86 Celica Supra F-series (IRS) specifications:
Ring Gear Backlash = 0.005-0.007" (.13-.18mm)
Ring Gear Bolt Torque = 71 ft lbs
Pinion Nut Torque = 80 ft lbs (to MAX of 174 ft lbs for crush sleeve)
Pinion Bearing Preload = NEW 10.4-16.5 in lbs (12-19 kg cm) / USED 6.2-8.7 in lb (6-10 kg cm)
Carrier Bearing Cap Bolt Torque = 58 ft lbs
Total Preload = 3.5-5.2 in lbs (4-6 kg cm) - on top of/in addition to pinion preload

(Note: Thanks go to cygnus-x1(?) of http://www.cygnusx1.net where I got the info from the MK2 TSRM.)

95-04 2wd Tacoma/Truck rear axle F-series (solid) specifications:
Ring Gear Backlash = 0.005-0.007" (.13-.18mm)
Ring Gear Bolt Torque = 71 ft lbs
Pinion Nut Torque = 80 ft lbs (to MAX of 174 ft lbs for crush sleeve)
Pinion Bearing Preload = NEW 12.2-18.3 in lbs (14-21 kg cm) / USED 5.2-8.7 in lb (6-10 kg cm)
Carrier Bearing Cap Bolt Torque = 63 ft lbs
Total Preload = 3.5-5.2 in lbs (4-6 kg cm) - on top of/in addition to pinion preload


Since the specs are so close, and there is a reason they changed as production went on. I'll probably just set it up to the newest 2wd Tacoma specs. The only real difference is that there is slightly more preload, but after the bearings wear in that'll be a non-issue.


Toyota Part Numbers - Bearings & Seals.
Key: *** means part # is same between MA46/MA47 and AE86.

MA46/MA47 part numbers.
90366-30022-77 | Front Pinion Bearing
90366-35023-77 | Rear Pinion Bearing
90368-45066-77 | Carrier Bearing (x2) w/o lsd
90311-38047 | Pinion Seal w/o lsd
41231-22010 | Crush Sleeve ***
90311-52059 | Rear Axle Seals (x2) ***
04421-30011 | Rear Axle Bearings (x2) ***
90179-18001 | Pinion Nut ***

90311-38010 | Pinion Seal w/lsd
90368-50024 | Carrier Bearing (x2) w/lsd

These part #'s below may be necessary to use an LSD in the F-series housing.
MA67 part number.
90368-45002 | Carrier Bearing
OR possibly ???
Tacoma/4-runner part number and information.
90368-50006 | Carrier Bearing (front differential)
Part # is from 1st gen Tacoma/2nd & 3rd gen 4-runners.
(Note: All other bearings listed for the Tacoma/4runner front differential are different & not applicable to the RWD F-series differential. 2wd pickup/Tacoma/4-Runner rear differentials are 7.5" (except Tacoma Pre-runner) but some have different bearing part #'s than the 4wd front diff and MA46/MA47/MA67.)

AE86 part numbers.
90368-34049 | Front Pinion Bearing
90368-30002 | Rear Pinion Bearing
90368-41050 | Carrier Bearing (x2)
90311-38015 | Pinion Seal
90179-18001 | Pinion Nut ***
41231-22010 | Crush Sleeve ***
90311-52059 | Rear Axle Seals (x2) ***
04421-30011 | Rear Axle Bearings (x2) ***


Timken Part Numbers - Bearings & Seals.
Key: *** means part # is same between MA46/MA47 and AE86.

Timken Replacement part #'s found on http://www.timken.com in their catalogs.
http://www.timken.com/en-us/products/Pag...alogs.aspx (Bearing & Seal Application Catalogs.)

MA46/MA47 & MA67
17887 | Carrier Bearing Cone (bearing) - w/o LSD
17831 | Carrier Bearing Cup (race) - w/o LSD
32010X | Carrier Bearing Assy - w/LSD (Listed for MA67 F-series IRS Diff's)
32307 | Pinion Bearing (inner)
30306M | Pinion Bearing (outer)
1177 | Pinion Seal
514000 | Rear Axle Bearing ***
1955 | Rear Axle Seal ***

Tacoma/4-runner
32010x | Carrier Bearing (No actual listing/part # in the timken catalog.) <-- Not 100% confirmed yet!
I have measured ID & thickness of bearings on my old 4x4 tacoma front diff carrier (1.969"/50mm I.D. and .787"/20mm Wide). Using those measurements the following bearing should be the right one. At least from what I can tell.

AE86
SET 45 | Carrier Bearings (cone/race individually = LM102949/LM102910)
HM88649 | Pinion Bearing cone (inner bearing)
HM88610 | Pinion Bearing cup (inner race)
M86649 | Pinion Bearing cone (outer bearing)
M86610 | Pinion Bearing cup (outer race)
1176S | Pinion Seal
514000 | Rear Axle Bearing ***
1955 | Rear Axle Seal ***


Timken Bearing Dimensions.
Pinion & Carrier Bearing Dimensions only (looked it up for comparison/verification).
Dimensions from: http://www.timken.com/en-us/products/Pag...alogs.aspx (Automotive Aftermarket Bearing Specification Guide - pg. 309 for numerical listing.)
(Note: for all bearing width's refer to 'T' in timken catalog.)

MA46/MA47 & MA67
17887/17831 | Carrier Bearing Cone/Cup w/o LSD
1.781" - I.D.
3.149" - O.D.
0.781" - Width

32010X | Carrier Bearing Assy w/LSD
1.969" - I.D.
3.150" - O.D.
0.787" - Width

32307 | Pinion Bearing (inner)
1.378" - I.D.
3.150" - O.D.
1.289" - Width

30306M | Pinion Bearing (outer)
1.181" - I.D.
2.835" - O.D.
0.817" - Width


Tacoma/4-runner
32010X | Carrier Bearing Assy w/LSD (Same as ^ MA46/MA47/MA67) <-- Not 100% confirmed yet!
1.969" - I.D.
3.150" - O.D.
0.787" - Width


AE86
SET45 (LM102949/LM102910) | Carrier Bearings
1.781" - I.D.
2.891" - O.D.
0.770" - Width

HM88649/HM88610 | Pinion Bearing Cone/Cup (inner)
1.375" - I.D.
2.844" - O.D.
1.000" - Width

M86649/M86610 | Pinion Bearing Cone/Cup (outer)
1.188" - I.D.
2.531" - O.D.
0.844" - Width
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