3sgte or 4agze

[surfingdrums]

ups or downs of each? which is easier to swap? which is "better" for an AE86?
Thanks
Matt

[Ivan141]

4agze is the better choice unless you intend to go dragracing with it. There is 1 3SGTE AE86 in the netherlands...it is really silly fast, but the swap is a lot more complicated to pull off and it will eat transmissions and axles a lot faster when you step on it.
The GZE is relatively easy to swap in...it's a 4AG after all so you dont need to modify the engine mounts etc. I also think it delivers plenty power to propel a light car like the ae86, and will have more controllable power delivery than a bigass turbo engine, also has better torque at the lower RPM regions.

[Morten]

Ivan141 Wrote:...and will have more controllable power delivery than a bigass turbo engine, also has better torque at the lower RPM regions.

I think you underestimate the drivability and low RPM torque of a stock 3SGTE. A stock 2.gen 3SGTE has peak torque of 304NM@3200rpm vs. a MAP 4AGZE's max torque of 206NM@4400rpm. It's two totally different animals. :wink: (now if you put on a huge turbo instead it's a different story, but to compare apples to apples..)

However I totally agree that an 4AGZE would be an exellent match for the AE86.

[NoHachi]

I'm still for the Jet engine..

[surfingdrums]

wasn't there some guy that put a jet engine on a VW bug? I'll try to find the link somewhere

[surfingdrums]

found it here

[banpei]

Very offtopic:
I hate to say it but that VW isn't really jet powered. The Jet doesn't really power the wheels itself. It just thrusts the car.

This is a proper jet powered car:
http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/chrysler.shtml
It doesn't look good, but it is more effective that thrusting a car with a lot of air.

Ontopic:
The 3sgte topic by turborolla can be found here:
http://www.aeu86.org/viewtopic.php?t=1198

As you can see it was a lot of work to get it to work, but hearing from everyone the car is insanely fast I recon it is worth if you have the time and money available.

[Ivan141]

Okay I made a mistake saying the GZE has better lowdown torque...the ability to be able to control all that power in the old ae86 chassis is an important factor in choosing an engine.

[NoHachi]

Thats why I will mount canard wings in the front. They will give better handling when I go supersonic drift and give me mighty duck styling!

[Ivan141]

start-up sequence:
-atomic batteries to power
-turbines to speed..


holy macaroni batman!

You're such a forum-troll NoHachi..