What brand of street shocks do you have?

[CircuitFreak]

nope i never did becouse this was good for circuit use and drifting an i have my MR2 for street use.

[Mux213]

Ah ok, sorta figures..

I would play around with it though, experiment. I think you'll find out that softening them can change the handling of your car for better and for worse.

Can't remember exactly anymore, something about tightening the rear and softening the front to make the car more likely to oversteer? Not sure, could be the other way around...

[SutteR]

Stiff rear end with soft(er) front tends to oversteer. That's how I like it...

[Apolan]

jup thats the theory. and contrary for rebound. more rebound rear - understeer/better rear grip.

[NoHachi]

Nopes, most adjusters only affect rebound. More rear rebound = quicker rear weight transfer VS front ==more corner entry oversteer.

[Apolan]

Really? hmm.. its not how i got it. When you go into a corner, you slow down, weight shifts forward, the rear rebound pushes the rear wheels to the ground. The stronger the rebound more/quicker it pushes the wheels to the ground, thus creating more rear grip, thus car having less initial oversteer. No? Please explain..

Heres what i found on club 4ag:

Quote:Reducing roll speed with shocks can eliminate the suddenness that the car falls into oversteer. By working on the rebound side of the rear shocks, you can reduce the lift at the rear and stiffening the compression side at front should keep the rear planted to do its job. All this until you reach the desired cornering attitude predictably.

http://www.club4ag.com/faq%20and%20tech_...mpers.html

[NoHachi]

Haha, if only it was so simple..nothing gets pushed anywhere by anything but springs. Dampers HOLD stuff in a certain position. In your case, the change is 80% due to the increased front compression.

Read this: http://www.smithees-racetech.com.au/theo...tune1.html

Its a nice and confusing introduction to the world of shock tuning. However there are flaws! Remember that when a car has not settled into its springs, the only force that rebound can work with is the unsprung weight (tires rims axle) ...not a lot. So rebound adjustments will have less influence during corner entry.

[Apolan]

i didnt mean that shocks push, but allow springs to extend quicker. dont worry i've seen a shock before But this is how i understood the article on club4ag. Faster rebound - more traction uppon lifting sprung weight, coz of the unsprung weight /wheels) extending quicker to the ground...

I will read this hopefully it will get clearer for me. Tnx for the help.

[assassin10000]

Mux213 Wrote:For the rear, I heard about the Camaro option but I also heard some changes are needed because the Camaro shocks don't fit directly onto the hachi's rear axle. But they indeed are supposed to be the right lenght for short stroke.

I actually asked that same question as I took shock body sizes/lengths/mountings into account when asking questions of the guy at KONI. According to him the only thing you have to do to fit the mustang or camaro rear shock is remove the unnecessary metal sleeve from the center of the lower shock eye/bushing. The rear shock mounting on the rear ae86 axle has it's own 'smooth' sleeve type extension for the bushing to slide on as opposed to the american cars that use a seperate metal sleeve and long bolt. (the sleeve being there to protect the bushing from damage/wear due to the bolt threads)

Andrew

[Red]

Checked into the Koni yellows, OUCH. Almost $500 compared to $300 for the Bilsteins and $145 for the KYB. I'll see if I can get KYB or TRD to comment on the rumor that TRD's are just KYB's with another label stuck on them.

$500 for four hydraulic cylinders, ROFL. At that price I'd expect them to be hand made, hand balanced, and gold plated on the rods and seals to prevent corrosion. Well, OK, the adjustable bits that I don't want must be part of that cost. Still...UGH.

In the construciton industry they routinely rebuild hydraulic equipment (new o-rings, new fluids, etc.) as normal maintenance, the same way we change spark plugs and oil. In the car industry...Shocks are a holy mystery, and a damned expensive one at that. I'm getting damned tempted to just pull my shocks and take them down to a hydraulic shop, probably cost me $100 to get all four made into brand new OEM shocks again, and painted shiny Caterpillar Yellow too.<G>