OST-093: My, My, Mystery

[oldeskewltoy]

Current build, so not a "Catching Up" thread.




Essentially there are 3 types of 16V 4AG heads. There are 2 versions of the largeport, and of course the smallport.

The early largeport (1984-1987) was originally designed/built(?) by Yamaha, where the later ones(1987-1989) were changed and made by Toyota(?). You can see some of the changes in the following photos...







If you watch Garage 4AGE's videos you may have seen the earlier head makes a bit more power. This is likely because at the bowls the earlier heads have a better shape as the bowl turns to the valve...



... BUT there is more room in the floor of the later head (arrows).

I've come to the conclusion that the later heads were partially designed to better accommodate Formula Atlantic engine builders....... but that's another story...



The Mystery here is the head I'm working for OST-093. It appears that it is a mixed head, with some newer features, and some older features......




more to come......

[banpei]

I see you stamped OST-096 over 63. Does this mean you worked on this head before? Or was the 63 stamped by someone else?

[oldeskewltoy]

(07-26-2022 12:10 PM)banpei Wrote:  I see you stamped OST-096 over 63. Does this mean you worked on this head before? Or was the 63 stamped by someone else?

far more innocent... I mis-stamped it.

(07-25-2022 06:34 PM)oldeskewltoy Wrote:  If you watch Garage 4AGE's videos you may have seen the earlier head makes a bit more power. This is likely because at the bowls the earlier heads have a better shape as the bowl turns to the valve...



... BUT there is more room in the floor of the later head (arrows).

I've come to the conclusion that the later heads were partially designed to better accommodate Formula Atlantic engine builders....... but that's another story...

(from soon to be posted "Catching up thread")..... This is a later head now fitted with oversize seats for Atlantic valves.




more to come....

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(07-25-2022 06:34 PM)oldeskewltoy Wrote:  The Mystery here is the head I'm working for OST-093. It appears that it is a mixed head, with some newer features, and some older features......




more to come......

So... what makes it a mixed head?

Please note that the front of the head is cast as a later type - albeit it isn't drilled/tapped




and yet the intake ports have the earlier shape




more to come......

[decryphe]

(07-26-2022 10:35 PM)oldeskewltoy Wrote:  This is a later head now fitted with oversize seats for Atlantic valves.

Do you replace the valve seat with an insert to mill a new seat? How does that work?

[oldeskewltoy]

(07-27-2022 05:22 PM)decryphe Wrote:  

(07-26-2022 10:35 PM)oldeskewltoy Wrote:  This is a later head now fitted with oversize seats for Atlantic valves.

Do you replace the valve seat with an insert to mill a new seat? How does that work?

What you wanted to know?

[decryphe]

(07-29-2022 01:52 AM)oldeskewltoy Wrote:  What you wanted to know?

Yes, thanks!

How do you remove and install the seats? Are they press-fit?

[oldeskewltoy]

While this is a mixed generational head, the intake casting was SUPERB.... note the bowl casting comes all the way out to the edge of the seat.




In all my years working these heads this is among a handful that were well cast..... well at least on the intake side......



The exhaust side... not so much




more to come.........

[oldeskewltoy]

2 down... (leftside) 2 to go.....





after discussion about his build, my client decided on a new set of pistons......




more to come.......

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The pistons I just showed in my previous post.... This is essentially a stronger smallport piston.



Full size image - https://gallery.ostportworks.com/albums/..._large.jpg


Stock valve sizes because more than 80% of 4AGEs built are built with standard valves. The biggest flaw in OEM type 4AGE pistons (9.4:1, and 10.3:1) is they have a slit for oil return. These forged pistons support the 2nd compression ring far better with a series of holes.

Under a stock chamber, and a stock 1.25mm gasket, they are 10.3:1, under a tighter squish (.032"/ .8mm) they calculate out to 10.9:1.

These are also customize-able, want less/more compression height - done, want more, or less compression(dome volume) - done. These are available in .25mm overbores (81.0, 81.25, 81.5, 81.75, and 82mm)

One of the "olde" reasons for not using forged pistons were they tended to slap in their bores until they warmed up,because piston to wall clearance had to accommodate the pistons expansion. The piston to wall clearance on these pistons are 0.0025" (0.064mm). If you look up the stock piston to wall clearance you'll note it is 0.0039" - 0.0047" - so these should not "rattle" in their bores.

For more info send me an email: oldeskewltoy at yahoo dot com please include "OST/Traum piston" in title

[oldeskewltoy]

Ready for re-assembly....




installing exhaust cam prior to checking/setting exhaust cam clearances.....




Clearances now set on the exhaust side (check out pad of paper), now checking/setting the intake clearances




All clearances now set......




...this head gets a set of faux cams....



and is ready to be packed up and shipped back to the client.

[decryphe]

Looks like solid work as always!

Short question: How much of a clicking noise should I have from the cams/valves? When should I consider adjusting valve play?