Which setup for drifting...?

[GSMUnlockDK]

nmwisima Wrote:Wow, there, hold on...

You drifted "4" times? How are drifts counted?

You don't read it right... I have driven off the road 4 times... I'we drifted o lot of times if you define a drift by just going sideways...

nmwisima Wrote:Seriously now: You smasmed your bumper allready?

Yes... learning by doing...

nmwisima Wrote:Boy, you got to be carefull. Take it easy at the beggining and all will come with time. You do not need to rush things noone judges you if you 're good drifter or something.

I need some to drift with to learn the skills...!

nmwisima Wrote:Find a SAFE PLACE to practice, so yopu avoid harm your car, yourself and others :wink:

I work at a large industrial area and thes lots of pavement to learn it on...

nmwisima Wrote:p.s: 200SX is a turbo car and has a turbo manifold. Nothing to do with the 4age engine in your AE86. And yes, a small turbo is the way to get torque at low rpm, but your car has to be aturbo one. AE86 is not.

I know the 200SX both the S13 and S14 models... I'we driven them both...
And Nissan makes good turboes...!
And you got to admit that the press solution is much cheaper then the NA way...

And I have some exp. with turbocharges engines... I'we build 3 Celica T20 with horse power varying from 180 HP to 320 HP...
Same with the E9 Corolla...!

/bm

[GSMUnlockDK]

Jan Pedersen Wrote:Welcome Boris!

Thanx...

Jan Pedersen Wrote:Its important that you get to know your car - handeling an RWD car is quite hard (took me some time anyway). I'd start out with some nice suspension parts: Springs, shocks and bushings. Oh and a rebuild diff I don't see any need for camber plates at first...

What would you use...? And where to buy it...?

Jan Pedersen Wrote:Safe place to drive - well I know Stenvedel is trying to arrange a meet with track time!

I'm looking forward to it...

Jan Pedersen Wrote:Regarding the 4AGTE: Don't rush it! I thought I wanted one at first, but I'm not sure its the right way to go...

I just know the T solutions... I'm now in the NA world... and I have no idea what it cost...

I know that i can build a T engine with 230 HP for about 13.000 DKR

Jan Pedersen Wrote:nmwisima, this isn't calub4ag...

/bm

[Jan Pedersen]

Suspension: I use TRD Springs and shoks, others might be cheaper... Bought from Niels Erik Jørgensen (DK Benzin, Sandager)

200 hp for 13000 kr is VERY cheap :!: Don't expect that much NA power for that amount... Just remember that you don't need 200hp to keep it sideway - just ask Lasse... Start off using the good old 4AGE while learning and then make up your mind. But I'll still give you a couple of NA alternative: RS200 3SGE Beams or if you don't mind making a bastard you could take the engine from a Honda S2000... Niether will be easy or cheap, but 200+ hp from a stock engine would be great I think

[nmwisima]

Oh, ok Boris. Probably I didnt understand right. Your english isnt perfect my englise are worst, and there is the misunderstanding.

No offence I hope

Jan, "this isnt club4ag"??? What does this means?

[GSMUnlockDK]

nmwisima Wrote:Oh, ok Boris. Probably I didnt understand right. Your english isnt perfect my englise are worst, and there is the misunderstanding.

No offence I hope

I don't mind... But do you have any solution for the drift setup...?

Tires...? Rims...?

/bm

[Jan Pedersen]

nmwisima Wrote:Jan, "this isnt club4ag"??? What does this means?

They don't treat noobs that nice... And I would hate it if we started doing the same

[hamsupjai]

ideally you want to have stiffen suspension at the rear and if possible have coilovers at the front. dont bother at the rear cause its not strong enough to handle the pressure.

as for rims, 13 and 14 inches are probably best to drift with 15 would be the limit, anything bigger than that you ve got a grip machine. i read some where that theres an ideal psi for the tyre pressure and the tyre size as well, but need to look up on that for you.

[NoHachi]

Huh? Where did you get that? Don't want to be an asshole, but 75% of what you wrote is simply incorrect...sorry.

[hamsupjai]

keyboard drifter, so not too sure if everything i say is correct.

[Mux213]

nohachi, hey don't be so hard man

hamsupjai, be carefull about what you read, to many people in this world have once heard what is real, write it down in their own limited words, and fantoms get created

Stiffening up the rear suspention can help in making the rear a bit looser but in a sence you are just making your rear suspention work less good. There are some threads around that explain some of the dynamics if you are really interesting, I don't pretent to understand even half of it.

All AE86's have coilover front suspention factory standard. Coil over simply means the springs are placed over the shocks. What most people mean when they say you should have coilovers is that you should have adjustable coilovers. That is a common conversion alot of people do where the stock spring setup is replaced by a threaded sleeve with an adjustable perch on which the spring rests. This makes the ride height adjustable.
Making your ride height adjustable just allows you to fine tune the suspention setup and get that extra bit of grip you may want.

Ideally you want to be able to adjust the rear ride height aswell. In the rear our cars have a separate spring and seperate shock and this setup does not allow to install an adjustable system (allthough you can work with shorter springs and add spacer to tune it rudementary and fine tune with the front setup) There are adjustable coil over kits for the rear that basically mount the spring over the strut and keep the strut where it is now. This works fine but it is true that the stock mounts for the rear struts can let you down if you really use your car to the fullest.

What you need to keep in mind with these things though is that going to a generally stiffer suspention all round with a good shock set is an improvement on the handling of the car over stock in any right, whether you drift, drive track or drive on the street. The stock setup is for comfort, not necesairilly handling.

However going beyond that and looking into adjustable coil overs, adjustable shocks and whatnot really is only interesting if you either like tinkering with the setup of your car, or if you want to get that extra tenths of a second off of your laptime. For the rest of us, its more a case of being able to say to the next guy at a meeting: look at what cool toys I have to play with then that we really know what to do with them.

Good drifting is about technique, its about knowing your car, its about practicing. Buy a good set of springs (your old ones are probably warn out anyways), buy a good set of shocks (your old ones are probably warn out aswell) and go out and have fun. The rest you really don't need to bother with until you really know how to handle the car as it is.

In the end a better car setup does not make you a better drifter (or a better track driver, or better driver all round). The best upgrade you can give any car, is practicing.