Which setup for drifting...?

[hamsupjai]

thanks for the info mux, i ll be sure to take that into my stride. well i need to learn more from you guys as i literally dont know any mechanical side of the car. just know how to drive.

[NoHachi]

Didn't want to come over as harsh, that why I wrote the "dont want to be an asshole" part..I really don't..

Its just a matter of the way things get written down sometimes. Everyone wants to be an expert and be helpfull on the internet, but that sometimes leads to situations where some people try to consolidate that status no matter what. You see them reacting to every question, whether they have a clue of the true answer or not. And off course the wordings used are the same expert like matter of fact statements. As you can understand, that leads to a lot of misinformation and sometimes, if enough "experts" exist and they adhere to the same misinformation, an almost aggressive situation towards people with other idea's, making discussion difficult.

Now, I have no trouble with hamsupjai whatsoever, and the story above doesn't apply to him yet at all. But if I see something incorrect, i will make an remark about it.. All that is really needed to shut me up is an "I think" disclaimer before.. that would have me reacting in a completely different manner.. But I'll try and come over more friendly..no harm intended hamsupjai.

Which brings us to Mux......;-)

Quote:This works fine but it is true that the stock mounts for the rear struts can let you down if you really use your car to the fullest.

Do you have any links to coilover induced rear shock mount failures? I have been hearing this rumour circulate around a lot, but I'm beginning to suspect that its just one of those club4AG rumours that sounded plausible enough to start exactly the kind of urban myth thing I was referring too.

[hamsupjai]

no offence taken, as i dont know much, just thought that my limited knowledge could had helped. i m still a learner in the making but its reading up on these forums that you get to learn. 6 months ago, i didnt know what an lsd was, now i know of course, but im learning soemthing new everyday.

[Mux213]

NoHachi Wrote:

Quote:This works fine but it is true that the stock mounts for the rear struts can let you down if you really use your car to the fullest.

Do you have any links to coilover induced rear shock mount failures? I have been hearing this rumour circulate around a lot, but I'm beginning to suspect that its just one of those club4AG rumours that sounded plausible enough to start exactly the kind of urban myth thing I was referring too.

Very true, I have only read about people who claim to have seen this. So it is second hand info and you never know what the real story behind it was, for all I know the mounts broke off because of other problems (like being rusted through or something).

Still looking at them I don't find the story unbelievable, there must be some wicked forces on those tiny pieces of metal. Seeing that I really don't see the added benefit of having coilovers in the rear unless you're doing some proffesional racing, I don't think its worth the money to run the risk of it being true

And don't worry, I know you weren't trying to be to harsh

[maggkrabar]

over 160HP is too much for Hachi and unexpierenced drifter.
I will suggest:
buy F6/R4.5 TRD ot Swift and set of adjustable shocks - KYB, Tokico, Koni and setup rear shocks almost max stiffness, front a bit softer than rear.

get camber plates, 20mm rear sway bar, urethane total kit, change all suspension rods and joints, get RCA and traction plates. You will need adjustable panhard rod(easy to make it in local turner). get good clutch and LSD(if yours is worn), put 185/60/14, free flow filter and exhaust, maybe lightweiht flywheel - and start driving and drifting - after all that You'll need more power - first of all put the car on the road

[NoHachi]

Ah but you don't really need all that stuff. Not untill you can finish in the top 5 of an event in a totally stock hachi. Thats the problem with lists like these..everyone thinks that you need a completely tricked out car before you can start to think about drifting.
You don't even need RWD..some of those FWD drift vids are miles ahead of what you see during most local drift competitions. Come to think of it..you don't even need 4 wheels...or an engine...quite an open sport.

[maggkrabar]

I think about drifting not about sliding around and cornering wit GAS pedal, not handbrake actions. talking about japan drift

First of all you need to repair OLD hachi's drivetrain and suspension - or you'll get in trouble bouncing around on the road and trying to countersteer a mad car. light suspension tune(cheating) is better - engine tune and worn car body is bad cheat.

[hamsupjai]

NoHachi Wrote:Ah but you don't really need all that stuff. Not untill you can finish in the top 5 of an event in a totally stock hachi. Thats the problem with lists like these..everyone thinks that you need a completely tricked out car before you can start to think about drifting.
You don't even need RWD..some of those FWD drift vids are miles ahead of what you see during most local drift competitions. Come to think of it..you don't even need 4 wheels...or an engine...quite an open sport.

it depends what kind of event you are talking about to finish in the top 5. with all fair honesty, a stock hachi would never make it in the top 5 for any euro drift event or D1GB event. for a start, when you drifting through a corner with a 300bhp s13 and a stock 115bhp hachi, not only would the s13 just pull away faster when existing the corner, on the straights the hachi would have no chance. obviously its down to the driver's skill, but you would probably need to be a pretty good drifter to begin with to keep up the 300bhp s13. (this talking about a stock hachi). basically what i m trying to say is, you can be a moderate drifter and drift easier with a modded drift spec and win, where as for an experienced drifter, drifting with a stock hachi would be harder to win.

modding the car to make it more drifty just helps the driver to learn the process of drifting. dont count me on this as this is from reading up but although the standard diff from a hachi is already drift ready, a 2way lsd would just help the driver to drift easier. theres a really good drifting programme that techiya mentions in his drift bible to get the basics before one starts modding the car.

as with fwd drifting. it is considered drifting (but for forums like driftworks its ghay), unlike a rwd, you cant create vast amount of smoke from the tyres and its harder to pull transitions.

[Mux213]

maggkrabar,

One will always need to repair old warn out parts on a car before it is usable in any sensible way on track for race or drift. Bushings, warn out shocks, old springs etc.

But seriously, put on new bushings, some good shocks, some nice springs and all the rest is nonsence for a good drift car unless you're so damn good that you're in the top of drifting.

Just look at the movies of Zax's zilver hachi, that thing is nearly stock, only small modifications, but he knows how to read and write with that car.
Damn, there's people out there that are doing wonderous stuff with things like Volvo 340's, Lada's and whatnot.

The problem with over modding your car when you are still learning is that it kills your learning, its the car thats doing the drifting at some point, not you.
You should first learn to drift good without all those goodies, then finetune your drift with those goodies..

That said, don't forget I'm haven't even begon to learn to drift so maybe I'm just saying nonsence But I do think learning to drift properly starts with improving the driver, not by improving the car.

[hamsupjai]

i agree with you mux on the fact that you should learn to drift the car as it is before putting any goodies with it. as for myself, i havent drifted before but i know that ppl who can drift skyline gts, s13/14/15, rx7s, when they are put behind an underpowered hachi, they cant drift it. its about knowing the cars ablities and then using your own to make the car drift.